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Not getting into this too much but I don't think you can moan too much with the six agains against you. Like us during the Woolf era you push the ruck time to the limits, slowing players down, usually Farrell coming 3rd man in and definitely slow down the ruck. This isn't an anti-Wigan thing, as I've said we were guilty of it for a while (and still are to an extent) but I'd wager that most non-Wigan fans would agree.
I can live with that for sure. Faz was a joke on Saturday in truth and I can live with any opposition fan looking at our discipline and any tactical approach to slow a game down but it doesn't give any explanation to the flip side, which is my focus and that is that we've been given 9 penalties in 5 games (I have no stats for six agains but I'm pretty confident it would be a pretty low figure as well). This isn't just you btw but every opposition fan that has responded to these points has gone 'you deserve to be penalised', totally ignoring us talking about what we get, not what we give away. Yeah fair enough, I can't comment on that  It's hard to argue with the stats Stu, but obviously I wouldn't expect oppo fans to argue that Wigan are being reffed unfairly when everyone knows we have all the Wigan refs in our back pocket (© Redvee 2025 and every other year) I'm not usually one for unduly criticising refs except in extreme and obvious circumstances but I've been leaving games this season totally baffled and frustrated by refereeing performances and I didn't know why. I'm always aware that all fans can be a bit one eyed and I was putting it down to that but it felt like something more. Seeing the stats NK has posted totally explains it. I'd like to think I'm pretty fair minded and I'm not one of those who gets stuck in to refs, think they deserve abuse etc and I know it's an extremely challenging position but the figures in black and white, both this season and last that I've looked at have just been startling. I think there are many factors at the back of them and it's creating a bit of a perfect storm. If the club aren't looking to have conversations with people about this, they wouldn't be doing their job and I'm sure they've been doing it. Like many things in life, those who shout loudest, tend to get what they want and I don't think we're great at that but guys like Peet and Radlinski seem the sort who want to do things with class and to give the referees the respect they deserve, by not ranting about it in public (some would call it crying). That will surely need to change if things carry on as they are. This narrative that Peet is Mother Teresa does make me laugh. He's a bit of a s**thouse on the sly (not saying that's especially wrong) but he's definitely got another side to him and strikes me as someone who isn't backward at coming forward. I saw the spat with Willie Peters that he ended up apologising for and I note that he had a pop at Newman after the game for patting Harry Smith's head conveniently forgetting Smith doing exactly the same to Welsby at the Brick a couple of years ago (not sure if Peet was coach then) I think if Peet felt you were hard done by he would make his feelings known without a doubt. Ironically he was annoyed with Peters for spending all day moaning at the 4th official (something the BBC commentary mentioned on a few occasions). If that and calling a total and utter tool like Newman out (I'm sure you agree he is) makes him a sh*thouse on the sly, so be it. I just think he definitely has another side to him and I've seen the mask slip on a couple of occasions. With his coaching success we've not really seen that side of him but it has appeared on occasions. The clumsy point I'm making is that I don't think he would have any qualms about speaking up. He's also had a bit of a tiff with Burgess last year didn't he? |
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Thanks "Wiggin2" for the table.
That is absolutely dreadful.
I do hope the club have taken this up with the RFL/Match Officials.
Thing is if MP or an anyone commented on anything like this they'd be fined for bringing the game into disrepute. Trouble is it is clearly the match officials who are bringing the game into disrepute.
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You could accept maybe 20-30% difference, though even that is extreme. But the fact we've received 60% less penalties than all teams around us makes it clear that refs are applying different rules to our games than others.
Then you double down with the fact that we are losing penalty counts despite being the league top scorers and have the joint 2nd best defence.
It also has to be direction from the refs structure, rather than at individual level as it's so consistent and I think we've had 4 or 5 different refs so far this year.
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Even me, whose moaned my tits off the most about this and started the conversation, is surprised just how bad it all looks in black and white. Fans from all sides always complain about various things and when it comes to refs, you rarely have cold,hard facts and figures to back up your argument but we do. It's shocking and simply not right.
I watched the House of league podcast with Matt Shaw earlier and he's Leeds bias no doubt but he highlighted how they were just about the best disciplined team in the league before the Wire game and how it made no sense how they were then pinged time and again against Wire, while getting very few pens themselves. If only he had a look at our figures! It's absolutely staggering. HKR in a couple of weeks will be a mess, no doubt about it. I'm going for 7 or 8 to 1.
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Also NK, it's the six agains too which we can't find the figures for.
Leeds seems a typical example with Pen 5-1 in the Rhinos favour together with 3-0- to them on the 6 agains.
Overall 8-1 advantage in sets awarded will skew any match. Seeing that it does appear the lads on the field did a great job with only ending up 2 points down.
We do need to publicise this but the right way to do it is the conundrum.
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